In this episode, Chris and Jon discuss musical sellouts, the 27 Club, and our third anniversary. We talk a bit about our unsuccessful attempts to ford a river, life in the salt mine, and Chris’ recent theatrical endeavors. We also talk for a while about the intersection of “real life” and creative work, the partial rebirth of Shh, Listen…, and post-Ph.D. stress disorder. Also, Chris talks about new web projects, dabbles in Buddhism, and questions his sexuality. All of this, and more, as Goat gets older and embraces its lack of eternal coolness… Enjoy!